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HPR4118: Toil versus Livelihood

Hosted by dnt on 2024-05-15 00:00:00
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This is sort of a response to hpr4097 :: Will they take our jobs? Of course they will. by dodddummy, and also the latest community news show, and other shows about the topic.

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Laindir says: Half the problem

RE: hpr4118::2024-05-15 Toil versus Livelihood by dnt
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I think this episode highlights a very real problem--generative "AI" tools are already depriving people of their "livelihood" (literally "means of staying alive"). I've been thinking a lot lately about the exploitation of workers and what kind of economic systems could provide everyone with a dignified standard of living (as a layperson, my very loose understanding is that Universal Basic Income is a frontrunner in that space). Thanks so much for giving examples of other writings on this topic. I'd love to hear more.

I do think there is a second problem with generative "AI" that, while less urgent than the first, still matters--burying good work in a flood of bad harms both artists and audiences. At least for some artists, the hope that the work finds an audience is an important motivator. For audiences, encountering a work you love and knowing it was made by a person with a perspective affords the opportunity to find more works from that person and better appreciate that perspective. The ability to create low quality works coupled with systems that prioritize clicks (search engines, engagement-based social media algorithms, etc.) are a recipe for dramatically increasing the difficulty of finding good art.

As a small aside, I discovered one of my favorite visual artists only because they were commissioned to create a logo--something that might never have happened if generative "AI" had been pervasive ten years ago.

dnt says: Re: Laindir

RE: hpr4118::2024-05-15 Toil versus Livelihood by dnt
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You are right about the problem of saturating the universe with AI-generated things. However, I would say that good art has long been buried under a mountain of low quality works created by humans for pay, sitting in for the eventual AI, just as was done to factory workers in decades past. Perhaps AI will expand the volume of low quality work to the point that it will destroy the system of which it is the ultimate evolution.

dnt says: Re: kdmurray

RE: hpr4118::2024-05-15 Toil versus Livelihood by dnt
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HPR only has to survive a couple more decades before we win the 20-hour work week, and we can permanently retire the reserve queue. I believe!

dodddummy says: I agree but am concerned about the transition

RE: hpr4118::2024-05-15 Toil versus Livelihood by dnt
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I agree that the toil isn't the point and a lot of people aren't doing what they want to do.

My concern is how we'll make the transition from what we have to the toilless future.

Seems not at all clear to me we'll make that transition without 'insert favorite post apocalyptic movie title'.

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