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Henrik Hemrin says: Good presentation of the to me unknown Atuin

RE: hpr4142::2024-06-18 A Shared Shell History With Atuin by mnw
00:27:53 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
You described the installation process and gave suggestions for settings in Atuin very well!

I am not familiar with this sw and for the moment I think I will not benefit of it. But now I know it exist, and I can go back to this episode whenever I get curious to try it.

Thanks for your good presentation of Atuin!

Henrik Hemrin says: Batteries and hydrogen gas

RE: hpr4140::2024-06-14 Battery and Charging Technology 2024 by Ahuka
00:15:39 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
Thanks for this review of car batteries and charging status and development. Over here, Sweden, charging stations; number of them, country coverage, payment options etc are big topics also here.

If - when - I will buy a car, those questions are really interesting.

Actually I am also interested in hydrogen gas cars, combustion or hydrogen coverted for electrical. I know it is a big efficiency loss when producing hydrogen from electricity. And we do not have the infrastructure at all here, far far behind battery charging stations. But I keep an eye on the progress.

Another big topic for all new cars is the surveillance.

Kevie says: A good, balanced and informative talk

RE: hpr4140::2024-06-14 Battery and Charging Technology 2024 by Ahuka
00:15:39 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
I thoroughly enjoyed this episode, it was both informative and taken from a neutral point of view without the political spin that we are used to hearing when it comes to electric cars. Whilst there are many reasons for us to adopt these, the technology is still in it's early days and the infrastructure, especially for those of us that live rurally, simply is non-existant at this present time. I totally agree with you: the governments still have a huge role to play if electric vehicles are to become the new norm.

Henrik Hemrin says: What is actually u in reisub doing in more detail? Is it needed?

RE: hpr4137::2024-06-11 I used reisub key sequence to reboot my frozen Linux computer by Henrik Hemrin
00:03:24 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
I got a question on Mastodon about the need of u action in reisub: if it is really needed and if so why in more detail? I cannot answer. Maybe you can explain?

For reference, see the question and following thread in this Mastodon-link: https://infosec.exchange/@ksaj/112599224158640463

Henrik Hemrin says: Amazing project

RE: hpr4135::2024-06-07 Mining the web by Cedric De Vroey
00:15:14 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
What an amazing hacker project. I'm impressed and nice to learn about.

norrist says: Clever use of transparency data

RE: hpr4135::2024-06-07 Mining the web by Cedric De Vroey
00:15:14 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
Using the transparency logs is a clever way to get a list of active domains. Lets Encrypt certs expire every 90 days, so the domains are more likely to be active. I don't have any suggestions for managing the data, but it sounds like a solvable problem.

Can you post more about how you are parsing the transparency logs?

An HPR listener says: The tune Dave mentioned

RE: hpr4131::2024-06-03 HPR Community News for May 2024 by HPR Volunteersfrom the series HPR Community News.
01:49:15 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
In this show Dave mentioned the alert sound on his phone came after a particular song, and mentioned the lyrics "The telephone keeps ringing, so I ripped it off the wall".
This song has, for those who may not be aware, other hacker links.

Its from the song "Much Worse" by the band 'Big Audio Dynamite' (a band with interesting origins itself)

The song is actually a b-side but is best known for being used as the intro tune for the show "Off The Hook" on radio station WBAI in New York, which is itself run by Emmanuel Goldstein and others associated with the 2600 hacker quarterly magazine, whose history is also long and rich.

Emmanuel's name of course being a pen name with an obvious source to those who read.

kdmurray says: Re: Re: Great Conversation.

RE: hpr4132::2024-06-04 Urandom talks about the future of HPR by Thaj Sara
00:42:35 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
Having used Discord a fair bit, I don't know how well it would work as a discovery tool. Much like matrix you need to join or be invited to a Discord instance to have discussions there.

It serves the same purpose as Matrix, IRC, and to some degree these comments.

Discoverability will be easier with platforms like Mastadon, Twitter, Facebook (yuck) and maybe YouTube where people find things via algorithms and discovery features rather than having to know that something exists in the first place.

That said, if we want to "market" the show, the best thing anyone can do is actually recommend it to someone. If everyone who hears Ken (or Dave) read this comment on the June Community News were to *really* recommend HPR to one other person, that would go a very long way to providing some new ears and new voices.

Ken Fallon says: Some issues

RE: hpr4133::2024-06-05 Mastodon as a way to comment to HPR episodes by norrist
00:19:40 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
Hi norrist

Great idea and I like the solution, but as with most things on HPR, it is rarely a technological quick fix.

First how will spam be managed ? This needs to be rock solid as we get hammered constantly.

Some instances do not appreciate people taking their posts and putting them on other platforms.
How do we know the approve and how do we track that their consent has not changed ?

How can we incorporate the feedback with "the show" so that the entire context is maintained ?
Can we check them into git, or add them to the database ?

How do we remove them if we are required to do so ?

Can we include them in the Community News and not violate the Creative Commons license ?
https://hackerpublicradio.org/about.html#license

Which moderation rules will apply ?

How will it stand up to attacks ?

Will the character set be comparable ?

Not saying it can't be done but there is a lot to consider.

https://www.davidrevoy.com/article981/i-may-have-found-an-alternative-solution-to-my-blogs-comment-system/show

fullstopslash says: mastodon comments

RE: hpr4133::2024-06-05 Mastodon as a way to comment to HPR episodes by norrist
00:19:40 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
I absolutely love this idea! Mastodon is a way people naturally have conversations about a topic anyway, and it'd be a pretty neat option in my opinion! All the options for mastodon clients out there make it an easy platform for me to get updates in whatever form I like! This would be super cool!

Henrik Hemrin says: Comment via phone and laptop/desktop

RE: hpr4133::2024-06-05 Mastodon as a way to comment to HPR episodes by norrist
00:19:40 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
I mostly listen to HPR with AntennaPod on my phone.

I mostly comment on my laptop/dedktop.

I am almost daily on Mastodon, from my laptop/desktop.

I dislike to write and read on phone, I ptefer a real keyboard and big screen.

However, this particulat comment: I listen on AntennaPod on phone, in AntennaPod I click on Open web page, Firefox starts and opens the page for this episode and I type.

I don't think it would be much easier to give it on Mastodon.

Having said that, each person has its tools and way of working. And I agree Mastodon is good to tell about and promote HPR or specific episodes. And I don't mind if comments on web page and Mastodon will sync (but longer comments will be truncated on Mastodon).

Henrik Hemrin says: Re: Great Conversation.

RE: hpr4132::2024-06-04 Urandom talks about the future of HPR by Thaj Sara
00:42:35 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
I am member of a couple of Matrix rooms, incl HPR. Matrix is a good place for talking.

I think the direction is that a person first knows about HPR and then join HPR Matrix room.

But my interpretation of the idea to use Discord is the opposite direction: Persons not knowing about HPR should learn and get interested in HPR thanks to learning about it on Discord. I have never, to my knowledge, used Discord. So I do not know how Discord works or if the idea makes sense, but this is my understanding of the Discord suggestion.

kdmurray says: Great Conversation

RE: hpr4132::2024-06-04 Urandom talks about the future of HPR by Thaj Sara
00:42:35 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
To some degree I the discussion has gotten away from the point: have an active place to engage with HPR.

Over the past month or so (since this conversation started) is we had 3-4 podcasts mention the Matrix room. I hadn't even heard it existed before that -- I don't read the footer, apparently.

Given that the matrix channel has > 80 people in it already, let's put some more focus there and use it more! :)

Henrik Hemrin says: Equipment, experience, encouragement and radio.

RE: hpr4126::2024-05-27 Podcasting for Newbies by Moss Bliss
00:05:08 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
Thanks Moss for sharing your experience, equipment details and encouragement to anyone who wants to become a podcaster. Nice also to learn about your radio background.

elmussol says: opus feed

RE: hpr4131::2024-06-03 HPR Community News for May 2024 by HPR Volunteersfrom the series HPR Community News.
01:49:15 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
I too would welcome this.

Ken Fallon says: HPR page design - Setting expectations

RE: hpr4131::2024-06-03 HPR Community News for May 2024 by HPR Volunteersfrom the series HPR Community News.
01:49:15 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
Feel free to pull the source from to build your proposal however the janitors working on git are not empowered to accept your pull request .

The reason for this is https://hackerpublicradio.org/about.html#governance

"HPR is entirely community driven. Policy decisions are proposed and discussed on the Mailing list, which is open to anyone to join."

As with changing of the Intro and Outro, any fundamental change to the design of the website needs to be presented approved by the community.

Ken Fallon says: Bug created

RE: hpr4131::2024-06-03 HPR Community News for May 2024 by HPR Volunteersfrom the series HPR Community News.
01:49:15 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
https://repo.anhonesthost.net/HPR/hpr_hub/issues/43

Henrik Hemrin says: Thank you

RE: hpr4131::2024-06-03 HPR Community News for May 2024 by HPR Volunteersfrom the series HPR Community News.
01:49:15 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
Thank you for this month Community news show!

folky says: Give me the opus

RE: hpr4131::2024-06-03 HPR Community News for May 2024 by HPR Volunteersfrom the series HPR Community News.
01:49:15 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
Ken was talking about planing an opus-feed. I would welcome this. Please give a shoutout on the mailing-list or in a show. so that I can switch to this feed.
BTW, the files in the ogg-feed are without any metadata.

hobs says: mastodon comments

RE: hpr4116::2024-05-13 Response to 4109: Building community without SEO by hobs
00:19:18 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
That's awesome that you're considering 2-way sync of mastodon comments with hpr.org comments. I find it much easier to interact with hosts there where threads are maintained.
I assumed 2-way sync would be a "bridge too far" ;) and was only thinking of 1-way push from HPR to mastodon when i suggested that feature.

hobs says: HPR page design

RE: hpr4131::2024-06-03 HPR Community News for May 2024 by HPR Volunteersfrom the series HPR Community News.
01:49:15 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
Anyone inspired to contribute CSS or HTML code can submit merge requests on their honest hosted GitTea repo: https://repo.anhonesthost.net/HPR/hpr_hub

dodddummy says: I agree but am concerned about the transition

RE: hpr4118::2024-05-15 Toil versus Livelihood by dnt
00:24:11 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
I agree that the toil isn't the point and a lot of people aren't doing what they want to do.

My concern is how we'll make the transition from what we have to the toilless future.

Seems not at all clear to me we'll make that transition without 'insert favorite post apocalyptic movie title'.

Ken Fallon says: The link appears invalid

RE: hpr4116::2024-05-13 Response to 4109: Building community without SEO by hobs
00:19:18 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
Just had some time to look at the Discord link but it doesn't appear to be working

https://discord.gg/4WwngKE8

Ken Fallon says: The answer is always jq

RE: hpr4112::2024-05-07 JSON and VENDORS and AUTH ohh my! by operat0r
00:20:30 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
JQ gives you error reporting with the line and error that occurs.

zen_floater says: WVDiAL

RE: hpr4128::2024-05-29 30 years of the internet by knightwise
00:31:04 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
I've been on the internet for over 30 years. But with Linux it has been just 30 years. And you can blame a boxed set of Slackware Linux and a program called WVDIAL for all of this.

But, I"m still on the GOPHER at the SDF
gopher.club/:70/1/users/zenfloater2

Install PHETCH for your gopher browser program, it works great!

dnt says: projects

RE: hpr4124::2024-05-23 Developing a project by Lee
00:07:05 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
This was great. I look forward to a future in which we'll all have more free time to pursue projects just like this. ;) This show made me wonder how the 24-hour clock emerged, and what other ways to partition the day may have existed before it. I have toyed with tracking my thousand day marks, instead of my birthdays. The thought came from the name of the Tool album "10,000 Days". What if we celebrated 10,000-day marks instead of anniversaries?

Trey says: Not now... another time.

RE: hpr4124::2024-05-23 Developing a project by Lee
00:07:05 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
Thank you for sharing this, and for noting my episode about ships' bells. I will need to dig into his research more.

I was really captured by your connection between ADHD and procrastination. I have dealt with this personally for decades. It has only been in the last few months that I have been realizing how many of my behavior traits can be tied back to my ADHD.

Might be why I have not yet recorded additional episodes for my timekeeping series... Not now, though... Another time. :)

dnt says: Re: kdmurray

RE: hpr4118::2024-05-15 Toil versus Livelihood by dnt
00:24:11 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
HPR only has to survive a couple more decades before we win the 20-hour work week, and we can permanently retire the reserve queue. I believe!

dnt says: Re: Laindir

RE: hpr4118::2024-05-15 Toil versus Livelihood by dnt
00:24:11 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
You are right about the problem of saturating the universe with AI-generated things. However, I would say that good art has long been buried under a mountain of low quality works created by humans for pay, sitting in for the eventual AI, just as was done to factory workers in decades past. Perhaps AI will expand the volume of low quality work to the point that it will destroy the system of which it is the ultimate evolution.

Laindir says: Half the problem

RE: hpr4118::2024-05-15 Toil versus Livelihood by dnt
00:24:11 Listen in ogg, spx, or mp3 format.
I think this episode highlights a very real problem--generative "AI" tools are already depriving people of their "livelihood" (literally "means of staying alive"). I've been thinking a lot lately about the exploitation of workers and what kind of economic systems could provide everyone with a dignified standard of living (as a layperson, my very loose understanding is that Universal Basic Income is a frontrunner in that space). Thanks so much for giving examples of other writings on this topic. I'd love to hear more.

I do think there is a second problem with generative "AI" that, while less urgent than the first, still matters--burying good work in a flood of bad harms both artists and audiences. At least for some artists, the hope that the work finds an audience is an important motivator. For audiences, encountering a work you love and knowing it was made by a person with a perspective affords the opportunity to find more works from that person and better appreciate that perspective. The ability to create low quality works coupled with systems that prioritize clicks (search engines, engagement-based social media algorithms, etc.) are a recipe for dramatically increasing the difficulty of finding good art.

As a small aside, I discovered one of my favorite visual artists only because they were commissioned to create a logo--something that might never have happened if generative "AI" had been pervasive ten years ago.


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